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 Post subject: Re: Billet Parts - MS HD Lifecam Adaptors
PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:33 pm 
update on my conversion. As you know i went for the life cam studio - mainly because i am a sufferer of the magpie syndrome - if its shiny, i have to swoop on it & take it.
As the theme of the thread is how this isn't a straight forward mod, it may be even harder for me to retro fit the studio model webcam into the cartridge manufactured by billet.

Fortunately, i followed the guidelines on http://www.rkblog.rk.edu.pl/w/p/ms-life ... otography/ which detailed (to my horror) that extra faffing would be the order of the day as it was more involved than the webcams modded by Bill & Phil.

Im glad to say (after a long winded ramble) that I've managed to retro fit the studio model into the billet adaptor - I've even gone further than the instructions in the website guide.

Here's how i did it.

Followed the diagrams & instructions for disassembly
chipped off the blue LED & covered the switch pins with a very small bit of blu-tac

for re-assembly i went a bit off piste & have managed to use both the upper & lower inner housing - the guy who wrote the instruction failed to achieve this & instead had to resort to gluing the top half in the billet adaptor (see image 22 on website). I achieved this by cutting the protruding aperture down until, then combining both the upper & lower inner housing & sliding the assembly into the billet adaptor.

I do have to echo Phil's sentiment, this is a bit fiddly & trying to remember which way the board sat in the housing was quite frustrating to get right - especially as id also bent some of the plastic retaining nipples that hold the chipset board in place.

My last mods were to create a blank plate for the rear screw-in piece; (again this differs from Phil & Bill's mod due to their model having the cable come directly into the back of the webcam & mine came from the bottom leg & up into position underneath the chipset board) by using the existing backing plate & filing a groove to hold the USB cable snugly in place & filing the edge of the backing plate down a fraction so it would create a snug fit into the rear screw in piece of the adaptor.

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eh viola! my modded 1080p webcam.
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I apologise for the epic nature of this email, but I'm made up i managed to make it work - even though on paper & the website states that you will run into difficulty & doesn't really tell you how to avoid it, hopefully this will give you some choice.
If a duffer like me can manage a mod like this, then there's hope for the rest of us!!!
Apols for the poor quality of the snaps, if anyone wants to see it in the flesh, i can bring it to the next meet.
Cheers
Andy


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 Post subject: Re: Billet Parts - MS HD Lifecam Adaptors
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:58 am 
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WOW, Looks like you have has some fun, bring it to the mext meeting, been very busy here and not started mine, hopefully get a chance in the week.

All we need are some clear skys to put these to the test, alas it looks like we are going to have to wait a bit longer.

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 Post subject: Re: Billet Parts - MS HD Lifecam Adaptors
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:31 am 
It was a bit of a brave undertaking - especially fuelled by mojito's!!!
I haven't had chance to try it in the scope yet but I did plug it into my laptop & in astro capture tried to run it at it's highest res - it almost flat-packed windows XP by stealing all the resources, so I'll have to either buy a mega powerful laptop, or reduce the res I capture at!
Am open to suggestions as always. I was pondering how hard it would be to fit a UV filter to the billet adaptor, for now I'm happy to just have modded it & have it fire up once connected.
I never thought of offering it up to an EP for a test Phil, maybe I'll give that a dance today. Just keep glancing skywards at night hoping for a break in the clouds so I can test it in anger!!!
Will bring it in at the next meet for you to cast your eye over it Bill.
When/if e manage some decent skies, I'll post some findings
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Andy


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:15 am 
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It never ends, When I started to look at Astronomy as a hobby I thought, get a scope and a star chart and stick my camrea on it and away you go...... wrong

Ross mentioned at the last session about cheque book Astronomers, well mine is now empty :( and I'm still looking at another scope perhaps even third. I've got Phils 200P to try out as I was about to buy the 200PDS but the write ups put me off because of having keep rotating the tube, even thought I have not been actually looking through the eyepiece I have managed to find a suitable position for the eyepiece and have tested my theory buy doing a 3 star alignment in the conservatory :lol: and then selecting the planets I know would be visible and also a couple of Messsier object, which worked out quite well and did not cause too much of an issue for me, however the Better half is a lot shorter than me and would need a small step ladder to be able to see through the eyepiece ant some angles :) even so it's still on my list as a possible purchase, I'm also looking at the C8 and the Skywatcher 180 as both of these would be easier for her to look through. How are you getting on with the C6?

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 Post subject: Re: Billet Parts - MS HD Lifecam Adaptors
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:58 pm 
I know what you mean Bill, I started off with a 6' Newtonian - which didn't suit me at all. It's in my experience (limited though it is) impossible to move it about without having to rotate the tube.
As for the C6 - I couldn't be more pleased. it does everything well enough to stop me having to have multiple scopes. It's compact, light & sits very well on my EQ5 - not whackery at all!


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:34 pm 
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Yes I remember us talking about it and that was one of the reasons why I was having a re-think, I do beleive however that there has to be some benift of a refector as they are so popular, perhaps not on a GOTO. Once I put Phils 200P on the HEQ5 the better half said no way, well it did loook big in the conservatory :lol: Is your mount a GOTO :?:

She said I would be better off with a bigger version of type I have (127 MAK) :P

Still waiting to hear when and if the C8 will be avalaible, however I'm still keen on the 180 as its £100 cheaper, the down side is that it's not going to as good for DSO as the C8 or the 200P / PDS. You can understand why it's so difficult for the more experenced members to really advise as it's want you want to do with it. Te best advice I got was get the bets mount that you budget will allow. It's just like asking me whats the best computer to buy, I ask similar questions and they still are unsure and I end up trying to find out why they want a computer, quite a few say, because they would like one, an have no idea of what to use it for :roll:

Fingers crossed for some clear skys as I feel a bit guilty holding on the Phils scope for so long

Catch you later

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 Post subject: Re: Billet Parts - MS HD Lifecam Adaptors
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:52 pm 
Mine is a GOTO Bill & I had the same 'where the hell is that going' reaction when I brought the 6' Newtonian home, so the 8' would have seen me habiting the car for the evening. Fortunately the C6 is very compact & it'll take a long time before I outgrow it or need anything else. If a Schmitt-Cassegrain is good enough for the guys like Ross et al... Then it's certainly good enough for me!
If I hadn't have dropped onto the C6 then I was planning on an APO 5 or 6 inch, the only thing holding me back was the price lol. I think that the refractors & reflectors are a bit uni-directional, so im glad I've got a unit that can do a bit of everything.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:34 pm 
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Hi Guys

Web Cam Mod done and built, in the testing stage

Will keep you updated

Bill

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:09 pm 
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Well it's working, popped it on my 127 for a quick test.

looks like some form of water mark, even if I rotate the camera the image rotates but the marks stay in the same place.

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Any idea's

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 Post subject: Re: Billet Parts - MS HD Lifecam Adaptors
PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:18 pm 
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bbones wrote:
looks like some form of water mark, even if I rotate the camera the image rotates but the marks stay in the same place.

That's just a dust-speck or hair on the sensor.
I use Eclipse cleaning fluid
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Solutions-Eclipse-Cleaning-Bottle-PS0020/dp/B0000AUR1I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1340047050&sr=8-1
on a cotton-bud to clean mine, under a magnifying lamp.


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